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Keywords pain management, chronic pain, health coaching, adverse childhood experiences, pain-free mindset, healthcare system, patient empowerment, neuroscience of pain, emotional trauma, pain recovery Summary In this enlightening conversation, Deepak Ravindran and Lee Vaughan share their journeys in pain management, emphasizing the importance of understanding chronic pain through a compassionate and patient-centered approach. They discuss the intersection of pain with emotional trauma, the role of adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and the evolving landscape of pain management that includes health coaching. The discussion highlights the need for healthcare professionals to listen more deeply to patients' stories and the potential for recovery through innovative pain management strategies. Takeaways Deepak Ravindran is a consultant in pain medicine and lifestyle medicine. Lee Vaughan has over 30 years of lived experience with chronic pain. Pain management requires a compassionate, patient-centered approach. Adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) can significantly impact chronic pain. The concept of a pain-free MINDSET involves understanding the neuroscience of pain. Health coaching provides the time and space for patients to explore their pain. Listening to patients' stories is crucial for effective pain management. Pain is not always an accurate indicator of damage. Chronic pain can be influenced by emotional trauma and psychological factors. Recovery from pain is possible with the right support and strategies. Sound bites "The body can do its own repair." "We are experts within ourselves." "Hurt does not equal harm." Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Pain Management Experts 02:18 Deepak's Journey into Pain Management 07:39 Lee's Personal Experience with Chronic Pain 11:22 Understanding Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) 15:24 The Concept of a Pain-Free Mindset 21:41 Hope in Pain Management 24:33 Navigating the Healthcare System 28:04 Transformative Pain Management Programs 36:12 The Role of Health Coaching 51:07 Challenging Beliefs About Pain 55:39 Experiments for Pain Awareness