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How is artificial intelligence really being shaped today. And who influences the way we understand and regulate it. In this episode of The #ZNL Podcast, Philip Weiss sits down with Caroline De Cock for a deep conversation on narratives, language and power in the age of AI. Rather than focusing only on technology, the discussion explores the ecosystem around it. How media dynamics, political incentives and public discourse shape AI policy in Europe and beyond. And why debates driven by hype often lead to what Caroline describes as “policy hallucinations”. Together, they unpack a central tension: are we regulating actual systems and their measurable risks, or are we reacting to imagined futures amplified by headlines and fear. The episode also dives into the arguments behind her book "AI Tools, Not Gods". A call to see AI for what it is: statistical tools designed by humans, not autonomous entities with intent. And a reflection on what more responsible, outcome-oriented AI governance could look like in practice. From accountability and democratic legitimacy to the psychology of innovation debates in Brussels, this is a wide-ranging conversation about how AI policy is formed long before legislation is drafted. A thoughtful and sharp exchange on technology, regulation and the stories that shape both. 🎧 Check this out and stay #OneStepAhead