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General Martin E. Dempsey, named one of the most influential leaders in the world by Time magazine (2015), recently retired after 41 years of military service. He served in both Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom, accumulating 42 months in combat. In the past five years he served as the Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army and then as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. General Dempsey and I had this conversation in March of 2020. Some of the key takeaways... Those who sustain excellence: They are humble and ambitious... And they have a thirst for learning. A "passionate curiosity." "It's hard to get to the top. It's even harder to stay there..." The best kind of mentor: Informal relationships. "Know that proteges are watching and listening all the time." "Disagreement is not disloyalty." The differences between Marty as a leader in 2011 vs. 2015: "I came to realize how much I didn't know." You work to influence outcomes, not try to direct them. "Through influence not through authority or power." How to make big decisions: Scrutiny can be paralyzing... Nuclear deal with Iran: General Dempsey found himself in disagreement with President Obama. "Not just the what, but the why." Must have confidence that you can speak truth to power. Believe in action over admiration Rule for meetings: "We are making the decision in THIS meeting." "We are getting a recommendation for the President in THIS meeting." Reverse engineer meetings to get things done. Commitment vs. Compliance: How to de-centralize the Army Be inclusive: You will learn more. You'll get people to take ownership. Share the burden. Community: Be prepared for when crisis arrives. Build relationships prior to it happening. Sweat the small stuff: Fundamentals are vital. Always strive to know WHY something works the way it does... As a tank commander, need to know everything about it. "Knowing the fundamentals allows you to have influence." Be responsibly rebellious Innovation begins with a little rebelliousness Read: Once An Eagle The "best leaders bring out the best in those around them." Young leaders who are wishing away their lives are making a big mistake, "I can't wait to be a CEO." That is not wise. "Bloom where you're planted." Advice on a long successful marriage: "Life is what happens when you're making other plans."