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This powerful episode of Unholy dives into how the events of October 7, 2023 have reshaped personal identities, tested friendships, and turned everyday conversations about Israel and Palestine into emotional landmines. We explore why it’s so hard to talk — and how curiosity and compassion can help sustain relationships despite deep disagreement. We’re bringing something special to Unholy listeners: listener-guided therapy with world-renowned therapist Dr. Orna Guralnik. Dr. Guralnik, a New York–based clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst best known for her work on Showtime’s documentary series Couples Therapy, helps two teenage friends from Copenhagen navigate a raw, honest conversation under real therapeutic guidance — a first for the podcast.  Whether it’s cognitive bias, personal identity, or the challenge of maintaining constructive dialogue in a highly polarized world, this episode brings practical insight + emotional honesty to one of the most pressing issues of our time. Takeaways October 6th, 2023 marked a significant change for many in Israel and the diaspora. Navigating disagreements requires a focus on learning rather than winning. Friendship can transcend political differences, fostering growth and understanding. Personal identity can shift dramatically in response to significant events. Conversations about Israel often reveal deep-seated biases and assumptions. Understanding different perspectives is crucial for meaningful dialogue. Cognitive biases can cloud judgment and affect discussions about sensitive topics. Maintaining friendships amidst political disagreements is challenging but rewarding. Effective communication involves recognizing and addressing misunderstandings. The desire for mutual understanding can bridge divides in contentious discussions. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 06:16 The Experiment: Listeners Therapy 07:11 Diverging Views on Israel and the Jewish World 10:21 Maintaining Friendship Despite Disagreements 14:15 Impact of Recent Events on Identity 17:53 Navigating Information and Trust in Media 18:46 Connection to Israel: Personal Perspectives 24:43 Diverging Views on the West Bank 25:53 Navigating Difficult Conversations 40:29 The Importance of Open Dialogue 42:22 Post Conversation remarks