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Originally released on May 14, 2024. Hosted by Cat Moon. Legal tech experts discuss their research and experiments with generative artificial intelligence (AI) for legal services on the latest episode of LSC’s “Talk Justice” podcast, released today. Host Cat Moon is joined by Margaret Hagan, Executive Director of the Legal Design Lab at Stanford University, and Sateesh Nori, New York University law professor, author and longtime legal aid lawyer. As director of innovation design for the Program on Law and Innovation, Caitlin “Cat” Moon designs the J.D. curriculum for PoLI Institute with the goal of empowering students to lead in the innovation of 21st century legal services delivery. Professor Moon also founded and directs the PoLI Institute, which provides interactive post-graduate executive education to legal professionals. She also co-founded and produces the Summit on Law and Innovation (SoLI), which brings together experts across legal, technology and other disciplines in collaborative innovation projects In addition to her roles at Vanderbilt, Moon works with law firms, legal departments and law schools globally to apply the methods and mindsets of human-centered design to re-imagine leadership and legal professional formation and modernize the delivery of legal services. Her current research focuses on innovation leadership and legal professional formation and includes co-creation of a 21st century framework for lawyer competency, the Delta Model. Moon maintains an active law license and, before joining the Vanderbilt Law faculty, she provided legal counsel and strategic guidance to start-up companies through her Nashville-based legal practice for over 20 years. She serves on the College of Law Practice Management’s Board of Trustees and on the advisory boards of the MIT Computational Law Report and the Justice Technology Association. Moon was recognized in 2016 by the American Bar Association among the inaugural Women in Legal Tech and as a Fastcase 50 honoree. She received the Tennessee Alliance for Legal Services’ 2017 Janice M. Holder Award, which recognizes a legal professional who “has made significant contributions in advancing the quality of justice statewide by ensuring the legal system is open and available to all.” Moon holds a B.A. and J.D. from Vanderbilt University, and an M.A. from Western Kentucky University. Sateesh Nori is a lawyer, law professor, and author. For twenty years, he represented tenants across New York City at various legal services organizations. He was a commissioner of the 2019 Charter Revision Commission. He was also the Executive Director of housing justice startup JustFix. He co-created and co-teaches the Housing Rights Clinic at NYU Law. Sateesh is a graduate of Johns Hopkins University and NYU Law. Sateesh was named a “Rising Star” by the New York Law Journal, one of “Queens’ Power 50,” and was featured as a “Legal Rebel” in the Spring 2021 ABA Journal. In 2023, he was a recipient of the New York City Bar Association’s “Legal Services Award.” In 2023, he published a book about his work as a housing attorney, entitled “Sheltered: Twenty Years in Housing Court.” Margaret Hagan is the Director of the Legal Design Lab and a lecturer at Stanford Institute of Design (the d.school). She was a fellow at the d.school from 2013-2014, where she launched the Program for Legal Tech & Design, experimenting in how design can make legal services more usable, useful & engaging. She teaches a series of project-based classes, with interdisciplinary student groups tackling legal challenges through user-focused research and design of new legal products and services. She also leads workshops to train legal professionals in the design process, to produce client-focused innovation. Margaret graduated from Stanford Law School in June 2013. She served as a student fellow at the Center for Internet & Society and president of the Stanford Law and Technology Association. While a student, she built the game app Law Dojo to make studying for law school classes more interactive & engaging. She also started the blog Open Law Lab to document legal innovation and design work. Margaret holds an AB from the University of Chicago, an MA from Central European University in Budapest, and a PhD from Queen’s University Belfast in International Politics. She is originally from Pittsburgh.