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In recent years we got to learn that the bro-split, where you hit one muscle group once a week might not be the best way to go. But could higher training frequencies be even better? Eric Helms, myself, and many other trainees have seen great success with it. Mike is also optimistic about higher frequency protocols, but has his reservations. After Menno Henselmans has popularized daily training for advanced lifters, very high frequency training became a bit of a trend, to the point where it almost became a fad. But that doesn't mean it is - it's just that people often misinterpret the messages of thought leaders in the industry. This podcast episode will shed a much more objective and nouanced light on how you can make use of high frequency, full body routines to optimize your muscle building endeavors - and also where it might not be applicable. Amongst others, we also discussed the relationship between muscle soreness and muscle growth, as well as how much your training volume really has to go up as you become a more advanced trainee. Time-Stamps: 1:15 - How important is training frequency in the grand scheme of things? 4:20 - Mike's opener on training frequency 11:02 - Eric's opener on training frequency 23:24 - Mike elaborates on the potential downsides on too high of a training frequency 34:30 - Eric's response to Mike's critique of very high frequency training 49:50 - Overuse injuries with high frequency training and minimum volume per session 58:55 - Mike's rebuttal to Eric's points on this 1:07:44 - Clarifying how it's practical to structure high frequency training 1:12:42 - Muscle soreness as a proxy for muscle growth? 1:23:07 - Eric's response to Mike's take (long back-and-forth) 1:40:28 - Why do some people never get sore while others are sore all the time? 1:53:37 - Training volume and training age - does it really go up by THAT much? 2:08:30 - Where you can find Mike and Eric The SSD Facebook group: / sustainableselfdevelopment My insta: / ssdabel Eric's insta: / helms3dmj 3dmj website: https://3dmusclejourney.com/ Mike's insta: / rpdrmike Reneissance periodization: https://renaissanceperiodization.com/ Audio version: / the-training-frequency-roundtable-ft-dr-er... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2iKhNBt... Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Insta: @ssdabel