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What if companies could continuously validate their cloud security and finally see the blind spots attackers exploit every day? In this episode of Scaling Cyber, Kennedy Torkura and Nils Karn, co-founders of Mitigant, reveal how their Berlin-based startup is reshaping cloud security with a new category they call Cloud Attack Emulation: a blend of CSPM, red teaming, chaos engineering, and continuous validation that helps organizations catch gaps before attackers do. Hosted by Ignacio Sbampato, former Chief Business Officer at ESET and founder of BridgerWise, this conversation dives into: ▶️ From academia to entrepreneurship — how Mitigant emerged from research at the Hasso Plattner Institute. ▶️ Why CSPM and CNAPP tools aren’t enough — and where blind spots really come from. ▶️ Cloud Attack Emulation explained — how continuous, automated adversary testing changes everything. ▶️ Why European enterprises struggle to adopt new tools — and how Mitigant navigates long POCs and conservative budgets. ▶️ Building in Germany, expanding globally — from DACH to Japan and the Gulf region. ▶️ AI security is next — how Mitigant now emulates attacks against AI systems like Amazon Bedrock. ▶️ The attacker’s advantage — why defenders must adopt the “assumed breach” mindset to stay alive. ▶️ Preparing for Series A — and what technical & business milestones they’re targeting next year. If you’re exploring cloud security, resilience, red teaming, AI security, or enterprise GTM in Europe, this is one of the most actionable and thought-provoking episodes of the season. 🔗 More about Mitigant Website: https://mitigant.io LinkedIn: / mitigant 🔗 Remember you can subscribe to Scaling Cyber on: ✍ Substack: https://scalingcyber.substack.com 🔊 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ya2wXn... 🍏 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ▶️ YouTube: / @scalingcyberpodcast Get in touch with us: https://scalingcyber.bridgerwise.com Follow Ignacio for more insights & updates: / ignaciosbampato