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Send a text (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/tex...) Why are so many talented women still walking out of organisations — despite decades of investment in leadership development, diversity initiatives and good intent? In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, Mary Gregory is joined by Penny De Valk — former MD, CEO and Board Director, and now a global leadership development expert working across the UK, New Zealand and the US. Penny shares her leadership journey and the lived reality of leading at the highest levels: the responsibility, the complexity, and the constant need to balance “taking care” with “taking charge”. Together, Mary and Penny explore how gender and power still show up in subtle but persistent ways — from assumptions about competence to the double binds women face when exercising authority. Penny also shares practical wisdom on learning leadership through experience, building self-awareness, and choosing courage over waiting for confidence. This episode ends by zooming out to the current global climate and the growing pushback on DEI — setting the scene for Part 2, where Mary and Penny dig into the trends behind women leaving workplaces and what leaders can do about it. Connect with Penny on LinkedIn: / pennydevalk Or visit her website: https://pennydevalk.com/ 🔗 Connect with Mary: marygregory.com (https://marygregory.com) 📣 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/marygregory (https://www.linkedin.com/in/marygrego...) 📸 Instagram: / mary_gregory 📰 Newsletter: Subscribe on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/build-relati... 🎙 Want to be a guest? Get in touch! ⭐ Subscribe, share & leave a review ✨ Produced by Mary Gregory Leadership Coaching