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Is Zone 2 better than HIIT? Can improving fat oxidation actually raise your VO₂ max? Does endurance training accelerate cardiac aging? In this episode of The Endurance Lab Podcast, I sit down with Dr. Paul Laursen — exercise physiologist, HIIT researcher, elite triathlon coach, and co-founder of Athletica — to unpack one of the most misunderstood topics in endurance training: how aerobic base, fat oxidation, and high-intensity interval training actually work together. We go beyond the simplistic “Zone 2 vs HIIT” debate and explore how building a strong aerobic foundation improves fat oxidation — even at high intensities — and why that may be one of the hidden drivers of a higher VO₂ max ceiling and the ability to run faster for longer. Get your Hume Health Body Pod with up to 50% OFF 👉 https://humehealth.com//discount/ENDU... Use code: ENDURANCELAB Train smarter with Athletica and get 15% off for as long as you stay subscribed! 👉 https://athletica.ai/?via=theenduranc... Use code: JUSMAN 📚 Dr. Paul Laursen resources: Article we spoke about 👉 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles... Dr. Paul Laursen website 👉 https://www.paullaursen.com/ Science and Application of High Intensity Interval Training 👉 https://www.amazon.com/Science-Applic... Socials: @hiitscience @athletica_ai Check out all of the exclusive discounts from Partners of The Endurance Lab 👉 https://theendurancelab.run/exclusive... 🎙 About Dr. Paul Laursen Dr. Paul Laursen has worked within high-performance sport systems connected to the Australian Institute of Sport and High Performance Sport New Zealand. Academically, he is best known for his research on high-intensity interval training and how manipulating intensity, duration, and recovery drives adaptation. He co-authored High-Intensity Interval Training: Science and Application and co-founded HIIT Science and Athletica. We also discuss: • The minimum effective dose of HIIT for midlife athletes • Why fat oxidation at high intensities matters more than you think • Carbohydrate periodization and “fuel for the work required” • HRV-guided training and nervous system readiness • Whether endurance training accelerates cardiac aging • The neurological benefits of intensity (yes, lactate feeds the brain) • The real limitations of ChatGPT-generated training plans • How AI platforms like Athletica differ from generic AI tools • The future of AI in endurance coaching If you’re a masters runner, endurance athlete, or coach trying to balance performance with longevity, this conversation will reshape how you think about training intensity, metabolism, and adaptation. 🔬 Topics Covered VO₂ max Fat oxidation Zone 2 training HIIT science Carbohydrate periodization Metabolic flexibility HRV and nervous system recovery Cardiac health in endurance athletes AI in coaching Chapters 0:00 Intro 2:05 Zone 2 vs HIIT: A False Dichotomy 5:12 Why Aerobic Base Is the Foundation of Performance 13:10 Lactate, Mitochondria & Lower Lactate at the Same Heart Rate 17:17 Fat Oxidation at High Intensities (The VO₂ Max Connection) 30:10 Definition of High Intensity 37:01 The Minimum Effective Dose of HIIT for Midlife Athletes 39:23 HRV, Nervous System Readiness & When NOT to Train Hard 44:34 Does Endurance Training Accelerate Cardiac Aging? 48:09 Neurological Benefits of HIIT (Why the Brain Loves Lactate) 49:49 Carbohydrate Periodization & Fueling Strategy 53:40 Why ChatGPT Training Plans Fall Short 55:02 How AI Coaching Platforms Actually Work 1:00:54 Can AI Detect Overtraining Better Than Coaches? 1:05:11 The Future of AI in Endurance Coaching #VO2max #Zone2 #HIIT #EnduranceTraining #FatOxidation #MetabolicFlexibility #MastersAthletes #HRV #CarbohydratePeriodization #AIcoaching #MarathonTraining #Longevity