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Dr. Emeran Mayer welcomes Martin Picard, PhD, mitochondrial biologist and systems thinker, for a fascinating conversation on the hidden role of mitochondria in health, stress, and consciousness. Martin explains how mitochondria, far beyond being simple “powerhouses of the cell”, are dynamic regulators of energy, emotion, and resilience. He explores their symbiotic relationship with the gut microbiome and how this ancient partnership influences inflammation, mental health, and overall well-being. You’ll also hear about Martin’s concept of “intrinsic health,” a field-like state that integrates biology, energy flow, and human experience. Together, he and Dr. Mayer discuss why understanding energy as the potential for change may reshape how we think about health, stress, and even consciousness itself. Key Topics Covered: • The evolutionary story of mitochondria and their link to the gut microbiome • Why energy is best understood as flow rather than a fixed resource • The impact of stress on mitochondrial health and resilience • How intrinsic health connects science with lived experience • A new paradigm for understanding mental and physical well-being Discover how mitochondria and the microbiome together form the foundation of vitality, and why a holistic, systems-based view of health is essential for true well-being. Enjoy! Rather listen to the episode? Find The Mind-Gut Conversation wherever you get your podcasts! Apple Podcasts: https://tinyurl.com/yn6j7x66 Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/3rmytsyk Connect with Dr. Mayer: Website: emeranmayer.com Instagram: @emeranmayer Twitter/X: @EmeranMayerMD YouTube: Emeran Mayer, MD Episode Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Mitochondria and Microbiome 05:26 The Evolutionary Significance of Mitochondria 10:35 Energy Dynamics in Biological Systems 15:30 Consciousness and Energy: A Philosophical Exploration 20:51 The Human Experience and Health 22:37 Bridging Biology and Human Experience 23:31 Mitochondria and Human Emotions 25:28 The Complexity of Mental Health 28:58 Intrinsic Health: A New Paradigm 36:21 Measuring Intrinsic Health 46:10 Stress, Energy, and Health