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For decades, we were told that fat and cholesterol were the enemy. Low-fat diets became the gold standard. Butter was replaced. Red meat was blamed. And yet… energy collapsed, chronic illness rose, and people became more exhausted than ever. In this conversation, Dr. Aaron Hartman sits down with Sally Fallon Morell, founding president of the Weston A. Price Foundation and author of Nourishing Traditions, to unpack what actually went wrong. We explore: Why low-fat dietary guidelines destabilized energy and metabolism The biological role of saturated fat and cholesterol in the brain How ultra-processed foods hijack appetite and dopamine Why traditional diets supported resilience for generations How “doing everything right” can still leave people exhausted This isn’t nostalgia. It’s physiology. If you’re tired, foggy, or confused by conflicting nutrition advice, this conversation will help you understand what your body has been missing. CHAPTERS 00:00 — Why We Got Fat So Wrong 01:42 — How Low-Fat Diets Changed Human Energy 04:10 — The Biology of Saturated Fat and Cell Stability 07:05 — Why Cholesterol Is Essential for the Brain 10:32 — What Happened When Butter Was Removed 14:08 — Ultra-Processed Food and Dopamine Dysregulation 18:45 — Why Cravings Aren’t a Willpower Problem 22:30 — Traditional Diets and Nutrient Density 27:10 — Fat, Bile, and Detoxification 31:40 — Why People Feel Worse Doing “Everything Right” 36:15 — Foundations First: Food, Stress, and Recovery 41:20 — How to Think About Nutrition Without Extremes 46:05 — Where to Learn More About Real Food ABOUT AARON HARTMAN, MD Aaron Hartman, MD is a triple-board-certified physician, bestselling author of UnCURABLE: From Hopeless Diagnosis to Defying All Odds, and founder of Richmond Integrative & Functional Medicine. Dr. Hartman is known as _the champion of the medically abandoned_—helping people once labeled “uncurable” find REAL health and hope through the body’s natural abilities to heal and repair. https://AaronHartmanMD.com Thanks for watching! Don’t forget to subscribe to the channel for more content like this! — Aaron Hartman, MD