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In this Human Mode conversation, Nogol Madani (Glee Factor) speaks with Mike James Ross, author, former boutique consulting founder, and Transformation Leadership Advisor at Egon Zehnder, about what it really means to lead and work in a world of continuous disruption. Drawing on years of research into the meaning of work, Mike challenges the outdated idea of resilience as “bouncing back” and instead invites leaders to accept that there is no return to the old normal, only waves of ongoing change. The conversation dives deeply into the tension between performance and transformation, the three-speed reality leaders must navigate, and why culture and strategy can no longer be separated. A thoughtful, philosophical, and deeply human dialogue for leaders seeking not to resist change, but to learn how to surf it.