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Jenn David-Lang of The Main Idea returns to the show, and we talk with Grant Lichtman about his new book Moving the Rock: Seven Levers WE Can Press to Transform Education (https://www.amazon.com/Moving-Rock-Le...) . This is an amazingly thought-provoking conversation about where we ought to be heading in education. The best way to reach Grant is at his website: http://www.grantlichtman.com/. You can reach Jenn through her website for The Main Idea (www.themainidea.net (http://www.themainidea.net) ). She's offered to send listeners of this episode a free summary of Moving the Rock if you send her an email at J.David-Lang@TheMainIdea.net (mailto:J.David-Lang@TheMainIdea.net) . Send your comments, questions, and show ideas to mike@schoolleadershipshow.com. Consider rating the podcast in iTunes and leaving a comment. And please pass the show along to your colleagues. If you or someone you know would like to sponsor the show, send me an email at mike@schoolleadershipshow.com.