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In this episode, Wouter sits down with Connor Zwick, founder and CEO of Speak, to talk about building one of the most ambitious consumer AI companies in the world. Before Speak, Connor built an app in high school that became #1 in the App Store. But instead of taking VC money at 17, he spent years going deep on AI research. He then flew to South Korea, where 1% of GDP was spent on learning English and nobody could actually speak. That decision set the foundation for everything that followed. In this conversation, Connor shares lessons on finding product market fit, the danger of magical thinking, building with AI before anyone cared, and why the consumer AI goldrush is just getting started. If you're a founder building in AI, this one will hit hard. This episode is presented by Rho, the all-in-one banking platform for startups. Thousands of startups like Perplexity, Product Hunt, and more use Rho. You get everything you need to manage your startup's cash. Exclusively for Biography Pod listeners and viewers, you'll get a $1500 statement credit plus a ton of exclusive perks when you manage your company cash with Rho. To learn more, visit https://rho.co/biography This episode is also presented by AssemblyAI, the leading Speech AI platform. Their API gives developers access to production-ready models for transcription, speaker detection, summarization, and more. If you're building anything with voice or audio data, AssemblyAI is the standard. Check them out at https://www.assemblyai.com/explore/bi... And by beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth. If you're thinking about starting or scaling a newsletter, beehiiv is what the best operators use — including Biography. Get started at https://www.beehiiv.com Follow Wouter: https://x.com/WouterTeunissen Follow Connor: https://x.com/connorzwick Speak: https://www.speak.com Biography Newsletter: https://biography.beehiiv.com/ Timestamps:- 00:00 Intro 01:14 Building His First App in High School 04:25 How to Pick the Right Problem 08:13 The Vision Behind Speak 18:35 Why He Flew to South Korea 38:07 How to Keep Going When Nobody Cares 39:21 The Moment ChatGPT Changed Everything 43:18 How AI Transformed Speak's Product 44:58 When to Build In-House vs Wait for the Models 50:11 The Danger of AI Infatuation 52:52 Why AI Coding Changes Everything 56:26 Rethinking How You Build Software 01:00:55 Why Smaller Teams Will Win 01:08:12 Building Internal AI Infrastructure 01:12:09 The Superhuman Tutor Is Now Possible 01:14:25 Why the Application Layer Matters Most 01:16:06 Advice for AI Founders: Cut the Noise 01:18:26 Outro